{"id":8380,"date":"2014-03-25T11:34:32","date_gmt":"2014-03-25T11:34:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/paysdelours.artwhere.net\/?p=8380"},"modified":"2021-11-07T18:20:16","modified_gmt":"2021-11-07T18:20:16","slug":"ours-la-reponse-de-francois-arcangeli-a-bruno-besche-commenge","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/paysdelours.com\/fr\/ours-la-reponse-de-francois-arcangeli-a-bruno-besche-commenge\/","title":{"rendered":"Ours : la r\u00e9ponse de Fran\u00e7ois Arcangeli \u00e0 Bruno Besche-Commenge"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:1216.8px;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-0 fusion_builder_column_1_6 1_6 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:16.666666666667%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:11.52%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:11.52%;--awb-width-medium:16.666666666667%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:11.52%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:11.52%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_2_3 2_3 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:66.666666666667%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:2.88%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:2.88%;--awb-width-medium:66.666666666667%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:2.88%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:2.88%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-1 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:28;line-height:1.6;\">\u25fc\ufe0f Ours : la r\u00e9ponse de Fran\u00e7ois Arcangeli \u00e0 Bruno Besche-Commenge<\/h3><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1\"><p><span style=\"color: #a75e33;\"><strong>Manifestement d\u00e9\u00e7u de sa prestation t\u00e9l\u00e9vis\u00e9e sur les plateaux de France 3 dans l&rsquo;\u00c9mission \u00ab\u00a0La voix est libre\u00a0\u00bb et par la faiblesse g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de son argumentation, M. Besche-Commenge cherche visiblement \u00e0 \u00ab\u00a0refaire le match\u00a0\u00bb dans la presse locale, mais de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 la fois d\u00e9loyale et trompeuse.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-builder-row-inner fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"--awb-flex-grow:0;--awb-flex-grow-medium:0;--awb-flex-grow-small:0;--awb-flex-shrink:0;--awb-flex-shrink-medium:0;--awb-flex-shrink-small:0;width:104% !important;max-width:104% !important;margin-left: calc(-4% \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-4% \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column_inner fusion-builder-nested-column-0 fusion_builder_column_inner_1_3 1_3 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:33.333333333333%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:5.76%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:5.76%;--awb-width-medium:33.333333333333%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:5.76%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:5.76%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-image-element\" style=\"--awb-caption-title-font-family:var(--h2_typography-font-family);--awb-caption-title-font-weight:var(--h2_typography-font-weight);--awb-caption-title-font-style:var(--h2_typography-font-style);--awb-caption-title-size:var(--h2_typography-font-size);--awb-caption-title-transform:var(--h2_typography-text-transform);--awb-caption-title-line-height:var(--h2_typography-line-height);--awb-caption-title-letter-spacing:var(--h2_typography-letter-spacing);\"><span class=\" fusion-imageframe imageframe-none imageframe-1 hover-type-none\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"200\" height=\"111\" title=\"francois-arcangeli_la-voix-est-libre_f3_mars2014\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27200%27%20height%3D%27111%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20200%20111%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27200%27%20height%3D%27111%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/paysdelours.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/francois-arcangeli_la-voix-est-libre_f3_mars2014.jpg\" alt class=\"lazyload img-responsive wp-image-8381\"\/><\/span><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column_inner fusion-builder-nested-column-1 fusion_builder_column_inner_2_3 2_3 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:66.666666666667%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:2.88%;--awb-margin-bottom-large:20px;--awb-spacing-left-large:2.88%;--awb-width-medium:66.666666666667%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:2.88%;--awb-spacing-left-medium:2.88%;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:1.92%;--awb-spacing-left-small:1.92%;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-2\"><p>Sous couvert d&rsquo;un ton faussement journalistique \u2013 M Besche-Commenge se met maladroitement en sc\u00e8ne lui-m\u00eame comme s&rsquo;il \u00e9tait interrog\u00e9 par le journal \u2013 il affirme qu&rsquo;en ma qualit\u00e9 de Conseiller R\u00e9gional d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9 en charge de la biodiversit\u00e9, Maire d&rsquo;Arbas et Pr\u00e9sident de l&rsquo;association Pays de l&rsquo;Ours \u2013 Adet, j\u2019aurais menti durant toute l\u2019\u00e9mission.<\/p>\n<p>Revenons donc sur les faits et point par point, voici les preuves qui valident l\u2019ensemble de mes propos :<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong>OUI, la Directive Habitats impose de restaurer la population d\u2019ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es !<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-3\"><p>La <a title=\"La Directive Habitats (PDF)\" href=\"http:\/\/www.loup.developpement-durable.gouv.fr\/IMG\/pdf\/Directive_Habitats-2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Directive Habitats<\/a> impose \u00e0 la France une <strong>obligation de r\u00e9sultats en mati\u00e8re de protection des esp\u00e8ces<\/strong> prioritaires (annexe IV), dont l&rsquo;ours brun fait partie.<br \/>\nLa situation \u00e9tant diff\u00e9rente d\u2019un \u00e9tat \u00e0 l\u2019autre, <strong>la Directive laisse le choix des moyens d&rsquo;y parvenir mais impose \u00e0 chaque \u00c9tat d\u2019\u00e9tudier \u00a0\u00bb l\u2019opportunit\u00e9 de r\u00e9introduire les esp\u00e8ces de l\u2019annexe IV<\/strong>, lorsque cette mesure est susceptible de contribuer \u00e0 leur conservation \u00ab\u00a0.<br \/>\n\u00c9videmment les r\u00e9introductions ne sont pas obligatoires dans un texte qui s\u2019applique \u00e0 tous les \u00e9tats, car il n\u2019y aurait aucun sens \u00e0 obliger certains \u2013 la Slov\u00e9nie par exemple \u2013 \u00e0 r\u00e9introduire des ours alors que la population n\u2019est pas menac\u00e9e.<br \/>\nMais <strong>dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es, il n\u2019y a pas d\u2019autre moyen de sauver l\u2019ours que d\u2019en l\u00e2cher de nouveaux<\/strong>. Il suffit pour s\u2019en convaincre de lire les <a title=\"L'\u00e9tude ONCFS sur la viabilit\u00e9 de la population d'ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es (PDF)\" href=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/etude-dynamique-viabilisation-pop-ours_oncfs-2009.pdf\">\u00e9tudes de l\u2019ONCFS<\/a> ou la derni\u00e8re du <a title=\"L&#039;expertise du MNHN pour sauver l&#039;ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es\" href=\"https:\/\/paysdelours.com\/fr\/le-museum-national-dhistoire-naturelle-preconise-de-lacher-rapidement-et-a-minima-6-ourses-dans-les-pyrenees\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mus\u00e9um National d\u2019Histoire Naturelle<\/a>.<br \/>\nM. Besche-Commenge se cro\u00eet-il plus comp\u00e9tent sur l\u2019ours que les plus grands scientifiques mondialement reconnus ?<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong><br \/>\nOUI, de nouveaux l\u00e2chers d&rsquo;ours sont donc de fait obligatoires dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es !<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4\"><p><strong>La France fait d\u2019ailleurs l&rsquo;objet d&rsquo;une <a title=\"L&#039;Europe a lanc\u00e9 une proc\u00e9dure d&#039;infraction contre la France pour insuffisance de protection de l&#039;ours brun\" href=\"https:\/\/paysdelours.com\/ours-leurope-a-lance-une-procedure-dinfraction-contre-la-france\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">proc\u00e9dure d&rsquo;infraction par la Commission Europ\u00e9enne<\/a> \u00e0 ce motif, depuis novembre 2012<\/strong>. La France a d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 condamn\u00e9e par la Cour Europ\u00e9enne de Justice pour insuffisance de protection d&rsquo;une autre esp\u00e8ce prioritaire, le grand Hamster en Alsace. Elle le sera \u00e0 nouveau pour l&rsquo;ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es si elle ne restaure pas sa population.<br \/>\nM. Besche-Commenge se cro\u00eet-il plus comp\u00e9tent pour interpr\u00e9ter le droit europ\u00e9en que les juristes de la Commission Europ\u00e9enne&#8230; ?<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong>OUI, L&rsquo;ours est bien l\u2019esp\u00e8ce-symbole des Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es !<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-5\"><p>Le sondage de 2008 demandait \u00a0\u00bb Quelle est l\u2019esp\u00e8ce animale sauvage qui symbolise pour vous le mieux les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es ? \u00a0\u00bb<br \/>\nLes Montagnards pyr\u00e9n\u00e9ens ont mis l&rsquo;ours largement en t\u00eate avec 48%, loin devant l\u2019isard (26%) et les autres esp\u00e8ces. <strong><br \/>\nL&rsquo;ours est bien, selon les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9ens, l&rsquo;esp\u00e8ce qui symbolise le mieux les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es. <\/strong><br \/>\nS\u2019il en \u00e9tait besoin, les expositions sur l\u2019ours en cours, \u00e0 Foix comme \u00e0 Toulouse, le confirment.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong>OUI, les Fran\u00e7ais comme les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9ens acceptent et soutiennent massivement la pr\u00e9sence de l\u2019ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es !<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-6\"><p>Les faits sont t\u00eatus :<strong> <a title=\"Synth\u00e8se sur l'acceptation sociale de l'ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es (PDF)\" href=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/acceptation-sociale-ours-pyrenees_fev.2013.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">tous les sondages d\u2019opinion<\/a> r\u00e9alis\u00e9s sur le sujet de l\u2019ours mettent en \u00e9vidence l\u2019acceptation locale de la pr\u00e9sence de l\u2019ours<\/strong> :<br \/>\n\u2022 2003, IFOP, Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es : 86%<br \/>\n\u2022 2004, ARSH, Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es-Atlantiques : 77%<br \/>\n\u2022 2005, IFOP, Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es Centrales : 84%<br \/>\n\u2022 <a title=\"Les r\u00e9sultats du sondage ours 2008 (PDF)\" href=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/sondage-ours-2008.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">2008, IFOP, Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es<\/a> : 69%<br \/>\nM. Besche-Commenge se cro\u00eet-il plus comp\u00e9tent pour conna\u00eetre l\u2019\u00e9tat de l\u2019opinion que les instituts de sondage ?<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-6 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong><br \/>\nOUI, les populations locales ont bien \u00e9t\u00e9 consult\u00e9es avant les l\u00e2chers !<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-7\"><p>Contrairement \u00e0 ce qu\u2019affirme M. Besche-Commenge, la <a title=\"La Directive Habitats (PDF)\" href=\"http:\/\/www.loup.developpement-durable.gouv.fr\/IMG\/pdf\/Directive_Habitats-2.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Directive \u00a0\u00bb Habitats \u00ab\u00a0<\/a> ne requiert pas l\u2019accord ou \u00a0\u00bb l\u2019adh\u00e9sion \u00a0\u00bb des populations concern\u00e9es, mais leur \u00a0\u00bb consultation appropri\u00e9e \u00ab\u00a0.<br \/>\nComme ils doutaient que cela ait \u00e9t\u00e9 fait pour les l\u00e2chers d\u2019ours de 2006, M. Besche-Commenge et l\u2019ensemble du mouvement anti-ours ont alors saisi les tribunaux. Et c\u2019est <strong>le Conseil d\u2019Etat, la plus haute juridiction fran\u00e7aise, <\/strong>qui <strong>a tranch\u00e9. <\/strong><br \/>\nSon <a title=\"L'arr\u00eat du Conseil d'Etat du 23 f\u00e9vrier 2009 validant les l\u00e2chers d'ours dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es (PDF)\" href=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/09\/Arret_Conseil-Etat_ours_23-2-09.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">arr\u00eat du 23 f\u00e9vrier 2009<\/a>, que chacun peut consulter, rejette l\u2019ensemble de leur argumentation et pr\u00e9cise : \u00a0\u00bb ont \u00e9t\u00e9 notamment associ\u00e9s \u00e0 la concertation les \u00e9lus locaux des territoires concern\u00e9s, les responsables des organismes intervenant dans la gestion du massif, des comit\u00e9s d\u00e9partementaux regroupant les repr\u00e9sentants des diff\u00e9rents acteurs, les f\u00e9d\u00e9rations de chasseurs, les associations de protection de la nature et diverses instances scientifiques \u00a0\u00bb et il conclue \u00ab les requ\u00e9rants ne sont pas fond\u00e9s \u00e0 demander l&rsquo;annulation de la d\u00e9cision attaqu\u00e9e \u00bb, \u00ab la requ\u00eate [&#8230; ] est rejet\u00e9e \u00bb.<br \/>\nDans un \u00e9tat de droit, ce sont les tribunaux qui jugent de l&rsquo;application des lois, pas les lobbies.<br \/>\nS\u00e9rieusement, en contestant ces points de droit, M. Besche-Commenge se cro\u00eet-il juriste plus comp\u00e9tent que les juges du Conseil d\u2019\u00c9tat&#8230; ?<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-7 fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-four\" style=\"--awb-margin-top-small:0px;--awb-margin-bottom-small:20px;\"><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-left fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><span class=\"awb-title-spacer fusion-no-large-visibility fusion-no-medium-visibility fusion-no-small-visibility\"><\/span><h4 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:18;--minFontSize:18;line-height:1.87;\"><strong>OUI, les emplois de bergers sont bien li\u00e9s au retour de l\u2019ours !<\/strong><\/h4><span class=\"awb-title-spacer\"><\/span><div class=\"title-sep-container title-sep-container-right\"><div class=\"title-sep sep- sep-solid\" style=\"border-color:#e2e2e2;\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-8\"><div>\n<p>Petit rappel des faits : avant 1995, les aides publiques \u00e0 l\u2019embauche de bergers \u00e9taient quasi-nulles, les bergers n\u2019\u00e9taient ni d\u00e9clar\u00e9s ni correctement r\u00e9mun\u00e9r\u00e9s.<br \/>\nComme par hasard&#8230; <strong>c\u2019est au moment o\u00f9 il d\u00e9cide de l\u00e2cher des ours que l\u2019\u00c9tat commence \u00e0 subventionner l\u2019embauche de bergers, via le Plan Ours<\/strong> !<br \/>\nEn 2005, alors que se pr\u00e9pare un nouveau plan ours, le Pr\u00e9fet de R\u00e9gion \u00e9crit dans le dossier de concertation du plan de renforcement \u00ab s\u2019agissant plus particuli\u00e8rement de pastoralisme (&#8230;) le minist\u00e8re de l\u2019agriculture a demand\u00e9 (&#8230;) d\u2019\u00e9tablir en concertation avec les organisations professionnelles agricoles et foresti\u00e8res une s\u00e9rie de propositions de soutien de ces activit\u00e9s \u00bb. Cette d\u00e9marche aboutira en 2007 au PSEM, Plan de Soutien \u00e0 l\u2019\u00c9conomie de Montagne.<br \/>\nM. Besche-Commenge se cro\u00eet-il plus comp\u00e9tent que le Pr\u00e9fet pour nier que le PSEM est une cons\u00e9quence directe du plan ours ?<\/p>\n<p>Que l\u2019Administration ait eu ensuite la faiblesse de c\u00e9der au lobby anti-ours pour dissocier le plan ours du PSEM ne change rien \u00e0 l\u2019histoire :<strong> l\u2019essentiel des mesures en faveur du pastoralisme dans les Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es est li\u00e9 au retour de l\u2019ours, et les bergers pour la plupart lui doivent leur emploi.<\/strong> Qu\u2019ils ne l\u2019oublient pas trop vite : ils sont alli\u00e9s, \u00e0 d\u00e9faut d\u2019\u00eatre amis, et la disparition de l\u2019ours si elle devait intervenir un jour entra\u00eenerait de mani\u00e8re in\u00e9luctable leur propre disparition.<\/p>\n<p>Enfin, toujours \u00e0 propos des bergers : Comment M. Besche-Commenge peut-il exploiter en l\u2019exhibant la d\u00e9tresse de jeunes bergers confront\u00e9s \u00e0 la pr\u00e9dation, alors que les techniques de protection des troupeaux ont \u00e9t\u00e9 supprim\u00e9es de la formation de bergers en Ari\u00e8ge dont il est un des principaux intervenants !? Le r\u00f4le premier d\u2019un berger n\u2019est-il pas de prot\u00e9ger les b\u00eates dont il a la garde ? Dans quelle mesure cette d\u00e9tresse n\u2019est-elle pas organis\u00e9e pour augmenter les d\u00e9g\u00e2ts et justifier l\u2019opposition \u00e0 l\u2019ours ?<br \/>\nManifestement, de moins en moins d\u2019\u00e9leveurs partagent ce cynisme, si l\u2019on en croit l\u2019extension continue des mesures de protection depuis 15 ans, avec une efficacit\u00e9 chaque ann\u00e9e meilleure. Ainsi, si les d\u00e9g\u00e2ts d\u2019ours ont baiss\u00e9 de moiti\u00e9 depuis 2000 alors que le nombre d\u2019ours a doubl\u00e9, ce n\u2019est vraiment pas gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 M. Besche-Commenge !<\/p>\n<p>Chacun se fera donc son opinion sur<a title=\"(re)voir le d\u00e9bat &quot;Ours : stop ou encore ?&quot; - Emission &quot;La voix est libre&quot; - France 3 - 1er mars 2014\" href=\"http:\/\/midi-pyrenees.france3.fr\/emissions\/la-voix-est-libre\" target=\"externallink\" rel=\"noopener\"> ce d\u00e9bat<\/a> et sur qui cherche vraiment \u00e0 manipuler l\u2019opinion. Nous avons aujourd\u2019hui 20 ans se recul sur le dossier de l\u2019ours et cela devrait nous permettre \u00e0 la fois de d\u00e9passionner les d\u00e9bats et d\u2019objectiver les probl\u00e8mes qui restent \u00e0 r\u00e9soudre.<br \/>\nMonsieur Besche-Commenge l\u2019a dit dans l\u2019\u00e9mission : il reste 7 \u00e0 8 estives o\u00f9 l\u2019ours pose encore un probl\u00e8me s\u00e9rieux. C\u2019est dire si nous avons avanc\u00e9 et si beaucoup d\u2019autres questions ont \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9gl\u00e9es !<br \/>\nPar respect pour les \u00e9leveurs qui connaissent encore des pr\u00e9dations, il faut les aider et leur dire la v\u00e9rit\u00e9. Ni leur faire croire que les ours pourraient \u00eatre captur\u00e9s comme l\u2019a fait le Conseil G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de l\u2019Ari\u00e8ge, ni qu\u2019il n\u2019existe aucune solution efficace,<strong> il faut travailler \u00e0 leur c\u00f4t\u00e9 pour faire en sorte que, \u00e0 l\u2019image de nombreuses autres estives, la mise en place de moyens de protection efficaces donne de tr\u00e8s bons r\u00e9sultats<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Reste la concertation que vient de lancer Monsieur le Ministre de l\u2019\u00c9cologie en vue d\u2019un nouveau plan de renforcement. La encore, <strong>on peut se demander si les opposants vont une nouvelle fois la boycotter pour pr\u00e9tendre ensuite qu\u2019elle n\u2019a pas eu lieu, ou si enfin, chacun va prendre ses responsabilit\u00e9s et r\u00e9ussir ensemble \u00e0 relever ce d\u00e9fi, dans l\u2019int\u00e9r\u00eat des Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9es et des Pyr\u00e9n\u00e9ens.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Fran\u00e7ois Arcangeli,<br \/>\nConseiller R\u00e9gional d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9 en charge de la biodiversit\u00e9,<br \/>\nMaire d\u2019Arbas<br \/>\nPr\u00e9sident de l\u2019association Pays de l\u2019Ours \u2013 Adet<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"up_text\"><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_6 1_6 fusion-flex-column\" 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